tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post2939160968736752364..comments2024-02-06T04:20:38.551-08:00Comments on Reading, Writing, Revising: October Reading RecapLisa Ecksteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11469107523441985396noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-66281981501636194972011-11-03T10:52:01.416-07:002011-11-03T10:52:01.416-07:00Thanks for clarifying about the eras of Austen and...Thanks for clarifying about the eras of Austen and Brontë. I think it's still reasonable to discuss them together -- Brontë was presumably responding to what she'd seen of existing female characters in literature.<br /><br />I do intend to read PRIDE AND PREJUDICE, and I'll definitely let you know what I think.Lisa Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11469107523441985396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-50529511325701067302011-11-03T09:56:15.424-07:002011-11-03T09:56:15.424-07:00Actually, I agree that The Eyre Affair's justi...Actually, I agree that The Eyre Affair's justification for that supernatural incident was a faintly redeeming feature of an otherwise mediocre book!<br /><br />And, as a note, Jane Eyre was published about 40-50 years later than Austen's novels, so perhaps it isn't fair of me to compare them. But it's interesting to note that Austen's novels, unlike Jane Eyre, pretty much completely support the status quo. You might consider reading P&P to see what I mean about this; it's a light, reasonably quick read and I'd be curious to know you think of it. As far as the structure of the book, I think it's reasonable to assert that Austen perfected that aspect of novel-writing, but Charlotte Bronte was working on something else.Sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-53562219282069314432011-11-03T02:01:37.544-07:002011-11-03T02:01:37.544-07:00Sally, thanks for taking the time to share your th...Sally, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, which I've been very interested to hear.<br /><br />I haven't read much British literature contemporary to JANE EYRE (including no Austen), so I wasn't able to put it in context and see how it distinguishes itself from and other work of the time. I can see how that would improve the reading experience. The one book I have read is WUTHERING HEIGHTS, for a high school class, and I didn't think much of it.<br /><br />I did like Jane as a character very much, and I probably didn't give her enough credit for being an unusually strong woman for her time. I also didn't appreciate the extent to which Brontë was critiquing her society. To me, that makes the book more deserving of its classic status.<br /><br />I wasn't really bothered by the unrealistic events and coincidences in JANE EYRE. Funny how different elements are problems for different readers. It did amuse me that in THE EYRE AFFAIR, a plausible (in that world) explanation is created for Jane hearing Rochester from so far away.<br /><br />Again, thanks for standing up for JANE EYRE!Lisa Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11469107523441985396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-53075310579783450962011-11-03T00:51:06.548-07:002011-11-03T00:51:06.548-07:00Sally -- I found your comments really interesting,...Sally -- I found your comments really interesting, even having not read JANE EYRE. It momentarily made me want to read the book. But then I remembered that I read for both characters and plot (and language mostly irritates me if I notice it, though there are exceptions). I think the things that bothered Lisa would also bother me. Still, it's really interesting to hear about why the book was revolutionary for its time.<br /><br />OTOH, I tend to perversely enjoy stories of children being mistreated at school (e.g., Roald Dahl's tales of his early childhood, or Harry's interactions with Umbridge), so perhaps I should read just the first bit... :)laurenhathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04109325640858487775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-20757933366176077612011-11-03T00:05:19.204-07:002011-11-03T00:05:19.204-07:00[Continuing where I left off! My comment was too l...[Continuing where I left off! My comment was too long.]<br /><br />The book is not flawless: in particular, I object to the deus ex machina of Jane hearing Rochester's voice from hundreds of miles away when she is debating whether to accept St. John's offer of marriage and co-missionary work. I think it is a very contrived way to solve the narrative problem of how to get the couple back together again... but that's my main complaint I think. Yes, there are some parts that seem exaggerated and cliché, but I suspect that's only because they would be if they were written today. (And the horrendous Lowood Institution is modelled after the school that Charlotte Bronte attended and where I think two of her sisters died, so I suspect it is not actually much of an exaggeration.) The mad wife in the attic is another issue, but one I'm willing to accept at face value for the sake of the rest of the book.<br /><br />As you can probably tell, I generally read more for characters and language than for plot.Sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-4343475666635128102011-11-03T00:04:15.716-07:002011-11-03T00:04:15.716-07:00First I want to comment on The Eyre Affair briefly...First I want to comment on The Eyre Affair briefly. I found it mildly amusing, with a clever idea (or even several clever ideas!), but the protagonist was just not compelling--and for me that's a fatal flaw. There was no deep character development. As a result I didn't especially care about the plot.<br /><br />As you know, I love Jane Eyre, even though I did not read it until my late 30s. On the other hand I love lots of classic British literature, so perhaps I don't have the same issues with expectations. I see your point about the backstory, but that didn't bother me about the book. However, I do tend to reread the middle section and ending more than the beginning or the section with the Riverses.<br /><br />I can maybe articulate some of why I love it. <br />First of all, I came into it as a devout Jane Austen fan, and with strong doubts about anything by a Bronte, since I'd hated Wuthering Heights (melodrama with no sympathetic characters). Jane Eyre converted me: <br />1. The protagonist is fascinating, especially for the time when it was written. How many strong female characters like that do we see in literature from that era? I especially love her absolute rejection of the role of "kept woman", even as wife. She wants--nay, insists upon--a relationship of equals. And it is her refusal to be dominated that Rochester loves.<br />2. In Jane Austen, the sympathetic female characters are all pretty, and except in Emma, the only obstacle to their finding husbands (which is the only major goal) is a lack of wealth. Elizabeth Bennet may not be the prettiest in her family, but she is second only to Jane Bennet, and has the more vivacious personality. By contrast, Jane Eyre is neither pretty nor rich. Yet she, too, is lovable; she too finds love and happiness and marries a man she is deeply in love with. This, to me, is pretty revolutionary. <br />3. And, fundamentally, so is the purpose of the book. Austen was merely telling amusing stories, entertaining the reader by poking fun at society. Charlotte Bronte was trying to change society. The harsh critique of certain forms of Christianity (which, nowadays, isn't that big of a deal, but at the time attracted accusations of moral depravity, even though the book has a very clearly articulated Christian morality), the happy ending for a love between a married, wealthy gentleman and a penniless, plain, low-born woman, and the clearly stated belief that the rich and the poor, and those of every different social rank, are of equal worth... all of these were pretty unheard-of for the time the book was written, but I can see why a modern reader, taking those things for granted, would not necessarily be struck by their importance. The description of love as a meeting of souls as equals is powerful, and in direct contrast to the shallower nature of love described by Austen.<br />4. I think that when an author addresses the reader directly, that means something. Austen never does this; Bronte does. By doing so, she establishes a relationship with the reader, or more accurately, a relationship between her unusual, proto-feminist protagonist and the reader. She is trying to transform the reader. Also, Jane Eyre is mostly in the past tense (it was supposedly written after the narrator had been married 10 years), but at particularly emotional moments she shifts to the present tense to convey a more immediate sense of her feelings at the time. This, I believe, is calculated to make the reader identify with her more fully in those moments and experience the same emotions she does. I find it very effective.Sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-82418204623966527492011-11-02T18:58:55.703-07:002011-11-02T18:58:55.703-07:00Yeah, that experience of reading a book when you&#...Yeah, that experience of reading a book when you're young can make all the difference. There are so many books I loved during my childhood that I'm afraid to reread for fear that I won't like them anymore.Lisa Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11469107523441985396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-17955913835775298592011-11-02T18:24:56.180-07:002011-11-02T18:24:56.180-07:00I love Jane Eyre! I read it many many times. It ...I love Jane Eyre! I read it many many times. It probably helped that when I first read it I was a (pre-)adolescent girl, though. You may have simply missed your Jane Eyre window. <br /><br />I'm happy to talk about it, but I'm not sure I can articulate why I liked it specifically. I loved the character lots and was never bothered by having different substories within it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-35470207556290199952011-11-02T17:51:20.772-07:002011-11-02T17:51:20.772-07:00I have the recent JANE EYRE out from Netflix and a...I have the recent JANE EYRE out from Netflix and am looking forward to watching. I've heard it's a great adaptation, and I expect the story compresses well into movie-length.<br /><br />Thanks to everyone who's letting me know I'm not alone. Comments from fans of the books I didn't like are welcome, too!Lisa Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11469107523441985396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-946028635936405452011-11-02T17:39:01.450-07:002011-11-02T17:39:01.450-07:00I wasn't too impressed with Jane Eyre either. ...I wasn't too impressed with <i>Jane Eyre</i> either. I kept thinking that I was supposed to like it, but, well, no. It's just such a weird book to me, weird structurally and all that. And I honestly did not get the romance. <br /><br />I did enjoy the most recent movie adaptation. It was spooky and cool. Though it's was still a very weird story to me. So weird.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-71498532215144697222011-11-02T17:35:20.216-07:002011-11-02T17:35:20.216-07:00I can see the germ of a good premise in SHADES OF ...I can see the germ of a good premise in SHADES OF GREY, but like it you said, it's a little hard to follow from the summary. Maybe I'll check that out, or maybe I'll wait until the series continues. I think I am always particularly hard on a book when the premise sounds great but doesn't deliver.<br /><br />I've heard enough about LotR to recognize that I wouldn't enjoy reading the books. The movies were the right way for me to consume that story.Lisa Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11469107523441985396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-53383961269973822302011-11-02T17:25:16.436-07:002011-11-02T17:25:16.436-07:00Jasper Fforde's stories always have these real...Jasper Fforde's stories always have these really fun premises yet generally turn out to be not that fun. I think I read two Thursday Next books and a Nursery Crimes (which I think I liked better than Thursday Next, but not enough to remember what it was about) before I gave up.<br /><br />Although I don't know why I picked it up in the first place, I was very surprised to discover that I really liked <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Shades-Grey-Novel-ebook/dp/B002UXRF6M/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2" rel="nofollow">Shades of Grey</a>. It doesn't have the fun premise... Read the summary on the Amazon page -- it's completely unintelligible. But it turned out to be fun after all and kind of made sense, though there was a whole lot left unexplained. I believe it's supposed to be the first book of a series and I'm really tired of waiting for the next one. It's been YEARS.<br /><br />I have the modern expectations problem too. Like with Lord of the Rings. He stays with one set of characters for a third of the book, then goes to another set of characters for the next third, going back in time to do it. Drove me insane. I've never been able to finish that series.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01644139713369995894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-66443325222292492932011-11-02T17:11:03.292-07:002011-11-02T17:11:03.292-07:00I thought the JANE EYRE storyline was the best par...I thought the JANE EYRE storyline was the best part of THE EYRE AFFAIR and that the whole book would have been better with fewer other subplots. I don't imagine I would have appreciated it much at all if I hadn't read the original. So yeah, you probably were missing a lot, but you still might not have cared for the book.Lisa Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11469107523441985396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6010942979784569627.post-9744341385401040532011-11-02T16:54:49.821-07:002011-11-02T16:54:49.821-07:00I read THE EYRE AFFAIR without having read JANE EY...I read THE EYRE AFFAIR without having read JANE EYRE, and didn't think much of it. At the time, I wondered if I was missing a lot from the original classic that would have made it much funnier and more enjoyable. Sounds like that's probably not the case.laurenhathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04109325640858487775noreply@blogger.com